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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

The only Victim I ever liked was a week and a half ago when I heard John Kadlecik play it acoustic in front of about 150 of us. It has no business in the middle of a Scarlet/Fire.

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

The acoustic version here on you tube makes me love this tune even more (we talkin' Victim's here)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xgD2AljtYI

Why is there so much dislike on here for later-era Dead? I frigging LOVE "Victim Or The Crime" from the first time I ever heard it played- at Deer Creek (I believe it may have been the first time played)

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 11:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

Count me as one of those late 40's who actually likes Victim AND Picasso Moon, for the same reason the band did: it made them play something crunchy and weird and difficult. I don't hear them all that much, because I mostly listen to earlier shows, and because those songs didn't always (often?) succeed live, but what's a heaven for?

Any recommendations for versions of either of those?

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Poster: Crystal Evans Date: Oct 26, 2010 4:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 26, 2010 2:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

I don't really like later era GD at all-there are exceptions but I rarely go out of the 70's-and I love Victim or the Crime. For me the moment the song clicked was at a Ratdog show, 3/22/02. Wasserman scared the hell out of me that night, he was so good. I dunno if that show is on the archive, if it is, def check it out. Victim opens the second set with just Bob, Rob, and Jay. It's really really cool. Great show all around (especially the jam that opens the show), except for interrupting Dark Star with Tanquerey. I loved the LEGEND Johnnie Johnson but sometimes his constant presence at St. Louis Ratdog shows didn't quite click.

Anyway point is not only do I not care much for the way the Dead sounded in that era, but I also don't care for much of any of the "new" material of the 80's and especially 90's. But I'm a Victim fan for life. I remember some years back I was pushing for a local GD tribute band I used to bum around with to start playing it. One night I arrived late to their weekly Tuesday show that I was at every week, they were a few songs into the first set. When they saw me walk in they said "Jim's here, let's do it now!" I didn't know what to think or what they were going to do to me, then they started Victim. I'd never been so happy to hear a later era GD song in my life. Well actually I used to get pretty excited when they'd do Little Light, too, which is odd as I'm not a Brent guy. It was Phil and Friends that REALLY sold me on Little Light, Warren used to just kill that song.

Oh, yeah, Scarlet>Fire. I dunno, I don't really listen to that tandem much these days. I always thought 5/17/77 was a really underrated version, along with 4/11/78. There are better versions, of course, but thought I'd mention some more "obscure" versions.